so well just kind of going off from what she was saying earlier for the young for the social everything first of all there's the order for you doing here so you can use pound whatever have to you know go through a noticeable take some delay to do that in more importantly it's really important because i remember week if use your something we saw that there was an article like a couple weeks ago it's last are actually hit my inbox multiple times about this is going to be last quite like is gonna be the last one because it's like us it all i remember is that it was you know just a couple of negativity fall there absolutely wonderful comments section a and but the thing is i when you try to slight evidence that you know these kinds of events are relevant i when we invited me to do this i look at what i know what it was like nothing all there was the old he doesn't well so stay with that schedule but i try to you know to see what i should be doing i know there was like one and i don't even think of the whole thing so it's say what everyone our so just decide that you want things to remain relevant gotta put evidence that it lists or so want to be doing so i need to be you if you're wondering one first pronounce it in the middle is pronounced a so they did you buy though we can just go with you can just go with flip it it's a lack for to be more informal and first place i kind of they know thing on the what i can make it is bad and i'm real see the actual to correctly that never happens like well to be fair people would give me tighter do this thing they just match the keyboard and the one and it kind of funny but so well what i work a lot of work that i do as a game but i'm not really a designer at this point are not really doing are or what you know i'm all intact i specifically ports you linux and which is i take the code that works on windows or had maybe had some progress on any review for no i had and then i will ship it either you the three stores like to go on our double store on any particular with probable are okay good i would assume so it's still pretty big audience for them i think and in usually on ski just you know what exactly great and is there rosenfeld maybe i wrote something here but when trying we want fast like so the first thing reduces as far as an is getting record it and i know is when intention especially for some you're supposed to be official slides if you wanted only slides that address they're not really that important i said about to find out so if you want that it's just my alias a lot of to be so there is this deal with a i see this all the time various conventions for like specifically need for things where free software and open source kind have to contend each other so i wanted to put my foot down and now we do i sit most of you use linux or should i say can you minutes well the thing is there are perfectly good reasons for both and we think is i know you've all seen this comment on direct about sports so we like sports there's that one guy that says for instance they have an introduction this game it means it'll you work when it's just it's the same thing and but i think it in so normally other things i will try to use these all and you one expired you all you desktop linux on pretty sure you already so if i not entirely accurate in these matters just know that i know to and you know same things of the terms like free software open source of those type thing so this guy that some of you may not heard of and that is already in the first few minutes of his presentation you can speaking in such a coupons and from so i've image of them except for i was always doing these kinds of things i've most of my in career and if you minister using music and audio tech mostly production rather than you know are open L for instance and i a little bit of programming for all but the one time i did try to course is two thousand six and it was visual basic six you say i didn't really do any programming after that was a great first impression that but it's a few years in the college in i don't know how it is elsewhere pretty nice days in your college not really doing anything so if yours and mine how to do i'm reinstalling windows and slapped i know just installed or what's a good happens and it start and then about six months later i decided to go and actually you know instead of just waiting hope you get a triple a job outside to attempt to make games with a couple male friends in the model me i didn't really go anywhere "'cause" none of us really had experience entire engines and we didn't have money for like something like unity pro thing like that the only thing that we came out of that are the first like actual open source project they did it was like project you it was basically to except it was a on other platforms so and then there's another product that we did not of them really went through or they were bad enough to write an open source that wants to that so that's the first fourteen go think that you for your do or at least through problem here to do a important for about not even a year and a half a so not that much time on the other hand in that your to have poured all yees select mass some of them i think it works not for this their data mac version sensitive something go for linux but all means and then the three in the bottom of our same problem regarding that's actually are not yet but i'm i can say that i'm working on them and there's of course a lot more than i can talk about is that you things like that the recent one that's that were speakers all after it was a point against and there are like five dollars thing can get "'em" from next time you know how great no one is you probably noticed a problem because you gotta know how one you may you may not gotten it for that game but you probably do most of easy don't know that's else team in hubble backwards seem to work so i would i problems to earlier but most of the reason that i can do you as much as i did as i sure you know last like this "'cause" these guys whole i don't in sparta actually get some for in the first place that we kind of got me do use linux the first place so you can kind of thing can for that means different linux really accelerated people who didn't think they're gonna get into a bundle which is pretty typical but hey we can make it works versions find a guy was one do you you versions one of those cases but i know all that or but so you probably want you know actually free open source software in there somewhere so i don't a lot of that actually the last this year lows was where i did a lot of new projects you know we can see chart because there's a market of sports that was largely unattended which was microsoft X and a something you might have noticed that microsoft kind of killed acton a are nowhere sort of and the in people or you know panicking for sweeney exports why any games needs kind of anything you know what we do you X H do anything it but there is particle wanna game that reimplement so you can send it on multiple platforms is so thing and directly implementation it's phantastic i can their accident some pretty sits down things in getting X in a working every problem is the platform support with absolutely no to the point where like i'll put it this way you could not reliably set window size twice in a row you just like if you hit six forty by four eighty it might if it right again you know the same resolution if you could still we export it was all so after some various internet arguments and that sort of thing is you find a mailing list like i said screw it i'm just gonna without their platform code birds break out the old so that's gonna do it with a skill to which i actually see pretty much every single game i've worked on these just yell if you're not where to of the best a lot or if you're going to work in games and it's C plus we're sure you just because it would you about nine percent of the work you would have to do a lot of be writing to ask which thank goodness for way one this point hope we i know that's been a topic that's come up for school i mention we have some very popular something somewhat here that a so we're gonna so if you exercise in because you sure so i still future can be and then created opengl male whining so it's also one library has all see loads of the L dynamically centre about looking and then one of my games capsized and then of our somehow mayor on at video playback as microsoft gives you disability to play windows media video on the X box things you can render it is texture eighteen i mostly we don't have that so i decided to take you're play which lets you just really look your files and you can do whatever you want data not i miss your prep that not i hope that into on again with a steel to and you could get opengl accelerated video is great "'cause" i think that pretty video i resolutions is really nice little a and then all that in the not being the end product was something i called wanna gayness guilty which basically instead of having be right now we have be windows back and now back and we expect and what is eight back windows i think i think the windows so and we just go back and all this stuff but nobody cares about so i just made my name is still to which you know that is a one product for windows mac linux and anything that's for still to you compiled this and lose a single time input run of the symbols on a windows mac linux with our recompiling and it will work you know be fully comply so for instance when we do say i'm not the application support et cetera et cetera number next will be the activities that because that's what it should be will be or what and we're trying to pull that and now you will notice i don't be one actually can say i start as part of april and since i just five nine shipping about seven by the in your so it kind of works so the money in teams now kind of looking to getting them are estimated great about that and we also have a little bit of working market start which is thing is when you have a can see sharp you have to distribute it but people think you should install vinyl euro that doesn't always work because for so long as you know it's a lot like a lot of the hardcore linux guys have like arch extremely minimalised mean one is a lot and plus and it's like installing time every time to this packages of map but most games to use all right so at work right reaction for from which is one of you or original might imports actually not doing well he may just market start environment where the entirety of wanna be contained and i'll like maybe ten see shortly wells into binary files and it's like i think thirty makes you don't strip the binaries it's a significant improvement and it does it means you don't have to have people install tenancy they just want to run again i don't so i know that an export that and some other stuff you can export i so so this is my links this was actually the last like that i have because i am next project as long the because i don't really like using slides i'd rather just kind of talk instead of try having to kind of job between these two things and only you know say one thing double the time to trying to work with the stuff so you know those are our links and you can fall amount were and all these things know how to mention earlier their own might get accountable along some other stuff like that for other so most of what i want to talk about her dress the time is really just general things i come across it's really the operating point where it's you know a sweeping generalisation what you know perspective let's because half the reason i get my ports is because can that either don't know what to do with it or they try and they hated or well sometimes it's because they can just afford but that's very rare free in the independent scene so a lot of what i'm gonna be talking about now is really how i hell other developers get over those hurdles and things that are a real pain even for some like i for us that we kind of go we just have to you know do you can figure it make install and all that stuff that other does like channel just use a single installer pretty please on things like that and i have to kind of speech for all those developers use all in that slide like fifteen or something games because just one and i can kind of tell stories what they say but or i can kind i have to look at what they say i do you it's like once winter like some wanna be like i cannot this those you know start off for free systems where that's basically what tutors for and you know kind of soup and that's usually how like my contract we see someone get mathematics and i don't all do it for you an ace and if you're angry enough to we see so lot of it so for anything because so i don't wanna like start going on a horrible rambling mess but some trying to make it on what i'm trying to stretch and was structure but one of the i have the what's think about development from perspective of someone who uses like visual studio the whole time or discover what you hold time and they just kind of have everything trent it's all pink to that where the only thing they know about compiling stuff we don't like a come the idea other compilers like the thing that knows that you when you get a semicolon well it's not a program you run it's a little have says bills and so it's we have stuff like model and all that sort of does that but for a lot of that six each are quite in are still and you know and a proper native language that's it's you may one but in we don't really have we don't have a community that really simplifies that because we do you guys think is when we see someone say this on the socks and i don't know to do the first thing we do is neutral it's always like the you know did you do you have do what are this is less or whatever they whatever someone has a problem it's always what's try to fix the problem bit by bit instead of you know why was this problem and what can we did not have a problem for instance the issue that i've we terriers hands which is hexagon where i don't he you can problems "'cause" you didn't wanna you i think use developing on a map so complexity most sensible option and we can time to make still he just are just use the code what project problem is how cool blocks most let's go you just use at get for young you know i and or as some people will go at the usually the first thing someone says as you ask and then that is an you can just for were something ridiculous and you know or lack of ability to focus on what the problem is instead of like these underlying things like you know if your problem is that you using the but you know sometimes that makes sense and depending on how good murders when it comes out that they actually make sense but you wanna be able to say it's you what you wanna be able to say you know this is a well i you can either say i know how to fix it and i can do it for you and you know and sometimes if we have a lot of time to say no or even better because they don't wanna spend one it's a you know if you're especially for you guys i see most of you are golfers of desktop software and things like that so you should be able to say what's the problem just like if you see someone again but first problem complain about it you write it down some and you go okay if i'm to make a tool for this person that would make it better or if there's some component about single inferences that supposed to do that and they couldn't figure out that it with vigour a how can we make it is that it's it immediately here because with microsoft's like it's history a "'cause" that's what everybody thank you can you can you must use like mean G W or something ridiculous that nobody will use so and not kind of in exploring a little bit where one the products that i and i don't really think that all have been using one's motives which is well i think when you make game make saw for you have to have are but are able something always of stuff when notice that not only i know something seconds else comes the really nice interface to so you can tell when someone is talking you just you know you you say that executable you run and then you go three steps with and that's pretty for the user but one of the worst think numbers so that is that trying to if you're if you're not familiar with that trying to make "'em" are just a package is is insane and i haven't spoken with right about this yet but i kind of want to it's like imagine i like i put it in the king dollars prospering i say you know you go to set put this is examples then you run build and hopefully should work and of course nobody you know bingo brisket be if you're not really with linux it's we have trouble installing linux there are gonna be able to go to figure out you know how to make words that package when there's all these steps that are a lot that are completely unnecessary when you could just on so i kind of want to be able to for instance because where you're trying to make a package you get like again a description and then maybe install actually not just of racks things like that i mean you really important and they should be things that i wanna be like the apple that methodology words like you know even in any one user or you know it's you wanna be understand "'cause" a lot of it is "'cause" you that you had over if you a lot of U S folders knowing when you're struggling with something that's supposed to be fairly basic the last thing you want is for someone to be like all i are you having problems that's but what was adults of for you just you know you want you want to when making tools for that's all you're making a build environments or any sort of thing you want to do this to so it's easy not because you saw it's easy because that's what it's supposed to be a "'cause" I S that offers it's like okay but that's not this kind of supposed to be easy to use are supposed to know how to launch a haitian like it's a really basic that in you know sometimes we require like polarise i know three it's probably i don't know "'cause" i was using don't you for version of your time and then for fifteen came out and that's when gnome three happened so i don't know how long are do is that possible i'm assuming it was agony and it's probably still is trying to recover but you know that probably was a lot of us mean actually that's a question i should ask this is this is serious question because i know there probably actually ask people know when some actually very curious this like be honest i know there are new people in here but you just have to be brave permit how many action use gnome regularly hands guess i was wrong "'cause" like i'm glad i'm you was weird "'cause" like i remember what we were thinking about what i and you really nine ski like where you know use like awesome for us to be fair i mostly use cinnamon used a special is not task basic is known so but i'm hoping to go back some but you know i but it was we're "'cause" and the other thing was when i was getting to talk together i asked liked where are those people like what you will like i'm doing this thing is the gnome conference what you want me to talk about like this is right bonus points know okay nothing no skin your why because and i actually ask people like i think people i know like they're people that one your mentions list like they give a pen you opinion i'm like you really have no idea for a top like a topic like anything no like who cares about their first court your first even if you caters "'cause" it know reports that or comes up the last one in it's here and i'm very classy the numbers high that's because it's i know conference and that you wear but i it's it would be a for shane if something that was that if something that was a meeting standard it's just some you know what the way specially what we have things like unity are and all these new that's like cinnamon make all these branches know everywhere and but when the last thing that we should be doing is point especially when all this starts happening likes T and you know someone's getting bigger and bigger and bigger and where were fragmenting more than ever it's insane you know you would work so that's that sounds like class someone use it and then made differently assays no started or or some inane thing like that when you know you can point about little things like one place is or fragmentation the justification like is like you like is that like would does little whiner things just five making an entirely new that's likes like at least cinnamon it's original like for was just extensions for known three you know pretty cool in its kind of a shame they had to branch off and i think the replacement every for you can like the login screen they're replacing they like they're getting really serious but it's really it's really disheartening when a community that was doing like words not desktop industrials a and at a time when in of awkward but exist commercially viable to some degree see exactly try installing linux are working legs and the first thing we do in the same timeframe this fragment one desktop into a it's i so especially it would there's all these doctors like it's a it's a perfect storm just like complete and help us and and it's one of those things were even if one thing was improve to be better like maybe we could have seven desktop environments if we could just agree that maybe someone will like it even if you don't like really basic training but we could be doing here improve on just is click is developers you know we development event of sanctions you know source product like if someone doesn't like this thing and you can fix it than should probably except for them bonus points for you well a lot of linux users but don't have data do it they just don't care about that they don't wanna that whatever i mean so even if you're at all or intended we are like supposed to be like the higher or like just the thing is you more the higher so we really anyone it where developer user need to we just need to figure out how to have the slightest civilised conversation about the sort of things people who are just right like that right click the dressing you're trying to like this is the you we're desperately trying everything is fighting against you it's like it's like a i think that's and gamers sure hands again well there's always that your story we are trying to like be very are like really don't to like see some you one of them up like you're rooting for this thing you saw the trailer and you play or you see it and it's sauce and you're like and your brain is trying to go would know this is okay though that that's not for and all those are but that other thing is dumber than existing okay all these things we could be that are just not that or suppose like make us feel better but first one i don't if you better and then it everybody else are in your for gained a particular there at because blooming great linux gaming a really long time it's a it's terribly V the them happens at full force it's awful it's it's actually pretty terrible for porters as well because when you see a rat for someone's game one might seem you need to we wanna linux version if the community itself is not if they make it out we were even if you gotta making it and they make some money if that people the customers you're getting to come out come off as like it so maybe in like triple A where you know customers forwards put you on hold not you will take money anyway but independent as well words like me support or any other i did we're to okay you know if it if they don't wanna do it just celine "'cause" the community itself socks where do you look ninety nine percent what makes lex great every say is the community if the community looks like a sauce then they probably you want what surrounds so it's really important that if we're going to you know put up community ask this as like the leading that it's kind of important we make sure the communities actually you're gonna do that "'cause" we it it's experiments liars it's not cool criminals that i'm trying to not think into that too much going to i think you get it's like don't be initiate on the internet don't be like and if the you don't make don't make one problem that somebody has been to set he either you know the solution that is one solution it's great for us to me solutions and you could say there's a lot of maybe someone you had find help or you computer guy goes i can diffuse and how just you know mean i can i have this thing you're having trouble with i can help that's my job for instance so enough about okay getting all up in arms about community so like i know something trying talk about loaded up stuff to so so i small you just tell the i'm sick it's gonna see so anybody here explicitly working on real and okay or that's kind of slide actually so i mean don't have anybody doing anything with more okay i well i it's weird "'cause" i "'cause" like this is that seems to be that your words finally starting to it's a shame that it's it looks like we're with kind of thing that kind of set all it we should work on this new success attacks thing it just peacemaker socks i don't know it does i heard that song announcement in happened like how it was pretty much objectively wrong in a lot of ways that either i did your about it all i know is that shipping about two thirteen ten i to what they're doing well well i think it's all really not so i think i think i think you can like look at what they're doing but they're telling anybody never telling me i think that i think if you that i'm assuming we it's not contributed just roll for maybe like here if you guys fronting like crazy well like we should as it it's going to be in a major just grow by default like i want to the twenty thirteen ten when we shipping you are by default i maybe go back to one side only X performances and break that's the one thing i've heard but you know fact is we can so we went which most of us ready for actually i suppose all you because four point one okay okay that's really good because you know it in a race where the base is that weird the base feature is that hey it's not yes it pretty much means you we in so at that point the racist you can get a first and it looks like you're right i kinda sound like kind of the way what i am stories myself i don't care which one works as long as it got really sorry in your time so it's i think is if you if not it was gonna be way on one time you have to make it you have to you have to be than some it's you have to like it and some other way if you if will wants to be standing everyone's like everyone's madam are some i'm saying if you want to have an event or then and they have time just like nine percent i'm saying even if like if you if we don't works to some degree start making out if they're libraries that have like an X pac and make a will back for like and still too right now use it has will and that and works great all like if you might ports you just deal to like volume fifty of these are because replace my love that's the L one that we don't write it should work and if there are any libraries like that's the mel are things that have that's the thing you should take it back and forty two working with will because "'cause" very down there are really any apps for i and when someone puts therefore down to our faults manager is this that force them to have use that that if you are like well not really making immersed now when one thirteen ten comes out when they're phone stuff and i don't know that much about the model-space are there that you we're gonna finally you know go okay i guess i have now actually is it wow okay i maybe if but if you're reading i but top notch market which yes get so i mean the thing is it's reasonable to the highway and does not really of the old things they wanna use like their library that may only may have terrible export if you want to just make a linux version would and just have like a testing like again if you want to work and like a really driver still it works maybe there's some buttons have a what if there's a problem again it's just a still to really thing in texas and the more libraries that have that sort is for you could be we'll and i'm saying i'm saying like we were a lot but we can see and he does not software for anything the software that has a global stuff and there's a library to a lot of to use but it doesn't use your stuff you should work on that like it's a it's a break "'cause" one of the like you see like in like linux new lot like but it's amazing wailing that and it's like a to the rendering of like a triangle it's "'cause" it's like that's like the best thing to do it's like they have to rate of what sell trying to mean example when they're probably kind of examples you have and you if you just right if you just make a use make your whatever software this use the popular library you can say well it's fair this morning and we would like people pay attention to that like when when i was i didn't see any like we are using still on someone writing three right that was really cool people on this remote that this like i actually came running on this thing as opposed to a we have a cute little triangle right you know you someone else trainings your advantage so you know if there's get involve or that wants to use when it's in your like what happens that you want me to get myself working with yours and you want to do anything probably say sure they'd like the extra attention and for you know when all these competing back home like to go and right that's the other thing that's all that's all people that brave people are leaving G T K for keeps Q T i don't know how it's fine which one that's but you know if that's true then you gotta find something that needs like a an interface percent of the source and you'd interface make it easy katie thing for like show how would you do okay ins you know it's not it's not good enough to just say we have a lady i what we use it you don't wanna say are for anything that people like asking he speaks publicly it's like you don't want to be black you want to have a definitive answer like what games you just killed to a lot of things in the contention from on it once you know what we just don't you will you have three back and don't mind didn't work this and what in jesus your few i can say keep to use the entire this one sentence what you might games using the unreal engine use it now runs you'd unreal sports that you just be able to all reports and we have actual evidence and you know you have like that was enough for it and say okay we will actually include your version so the thing is developers we think that is going over time to come to us but i think if you really great if i still course you are before so passionate about our a we should be able to say we have this really cool thing and we like to like help you because i don't know i'm trying to try to come up with a good metaphor for but i mean you can E I setting lot of i there are some students in here that are to be looking for jobs at some point you can expect someone to just whole you can be like hey you wanna work for us something like we probably you get your number you have to you have to call them in be very communicative with the person who is a higher out like someone is trying to hire you and you know so my the point about this campaign is as user it as a developer you have to be able to accommodate developers instead of developers coming and having no idea what to do and going we'll fix it and fixing fix it and there's gonna have to go through every single step and george through it and they're gonna hate it so i think i have a few minutes lots of right to one another horrible attention i know this is it's you know but i really want a couple questions and we have i show a hand made and we any questions at all you know and there's one year we with a question anyone you get any other at a more i other than graphics stuff and the will and back and that kind of stuff what sorts of infrastructural stuff from the known games using or is deal fact is the game still really use anything specific you really don't have much more than at but but that's mostly games but here's yours example where might be really important is where tools like a lot of game editor like level editors like i know what if as editor at this point in a lot of as she case we like when forms were like to use just a little in this to form fits each are and you know there's really no way to i mean things you have to port anyway but like you know when it comes to your faces for editors where moderate want to you just a that's where stuff like you know like G T K last that's gonna come you know really so the that would be i would see games whatever you stuff like that but if you want to work with editors like if you're a martyr in which you have more modern tools on you probably because toolkits more people "'cause" i mean you detail those work on windows but for some reason people you gotta find so if you're one of those that's it works on those things she try to find out why "'cause" i don't know the answer so and you know okay so the a traditional problem when it comes to game development will seldom be just synchronisation and the most real deal and the is that's all problem these days can you actually do five and one O do i'll do from the game developer the what do you should be able to like was pretty much all my ports it's ask you all to for everything except on an open a lot of details fine and i've done it there are very few case right had like write directly also it was fantastic but i can audio these days make people think like you have to write directly to all the stuff when we have open al smart open solution as well i and i think if we have some problem select the fact is they do a pretty good job getting a lot stuff done so audio you know as much as we well putting up that trying graphic all these back ends like airlift of each other it's largely saul "'cause" you just told an use open you know and then it then it doesn't matter the banana works so is always you just say as long as we can agree to the say open air "'cause" there's really nothing else there is the you use that's right directly told stuff and now we don't do that anymore so your question and i mean if you if you have any questions they don't wanna say here on okay and i'm here or somewhere around here so you can just talking we are argue with me or saying mean things me i don't know so thank you all showed up in the what is a blast i'll be here for the court is just wanna talk "'cause" you know i mean were days and this is like you know so that was that's got it from a sob i'm going to hang out you guys are or see and you have presentations tell help show up to so next 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