i'm gonna tell you about on tell you know in the state of integration so review has heard of long sell and we use that three okay so i'm young i'm the designer i do the about interface design and overlaps design and that's the plant design so all of you who don't know what i'm clout is it's a mainly it's like about that it's a it's a P H P website you can put on your own server and it has an interface for files file management has that's for calendar contacts and you can write your own that's also and we have a does some thinking up so you can secure files that a desktop and what happened and i was that so it's like the files and can share thingy and i think so the topic of talk i think that it's really important that we cooperating collaborate because like i personally love you guys and there's been like i personally had a long history with or not a long history but known was like my first we open source project where i work with the people and i'm at the community and i think it's really nice and so it's also like the signal minimum cost or is also kind of like a personal story really personal story for me so it's mainly about desktop and web how we can bring the two together how we can how the one thing can benefit from the other one and we can work together where one project has resources for desktop and one of the reasons for web and it's like strong projects loosely coupled together and so that we that we deliver a full experience to people and of course everything is open source i because that's important for people's data like that they that they can hosted themselves like the reason then as a scandal and i don't know that we are using an open desktop or if we desktop but using a proprietary cloud is pretty much a problem i think so we want to change that but we need proper integration for that that's where good design and then and that's why want to also give a special shout out to become design team and all the designers that are sitting in the audience because i think non design thing has there's been like a big influence on my work also and how we do design and on cloud a so big thanks and that at that point so let me or also right the term because system i think is a is a kind of a maybe a weasel words used by like companies or the monopolies to strive like an experience that you can only have if you completely buy into that systems i think it's very important that we sink with or that we that we collaborate with proprietary stuff as well with open stuff so with nick know online accounts for instance we have like you can use a google account use facebook account so i think that is very important to get people who are using these accounts but we also need to tightly coupled with the free services so that we have like flexibly can system like i have a i have work from book running able to i have a firefox that's phone and i have an ipod touch and it's really help to just sink notes that's not even possible actually and that's kind of a joke if you think about it so we tell you a story how and that's about the past like the history of on telling you know so in early two thousand ten is actually funny because i done through and mailing list archives is the mail i sent in march two thousand ten about a three open source alternative to drop box but ignoring katie calibre collaboration where on top was still like it katie project or it was born out of katie uses a and it just send i what i was not participating in on call back then and just send a mail to the usability list was saying hey there seems to be like this effort about the on cloud and there was a another effort i call the design help i think and that was also supported terrible okay and i just wanted to bring these things together already in two thousand ten and i'm glad that it went it went further so in summer two thousand eleven know right that's actually two thousand ten that's a typo it was what i in haiti where that was my first like it was a really fun and i also didn't participate in code yet but i wanna like i saw that great just of and i wanted to sync with or i wanted to collaborate with the and a cloud thingy where you can sink your data can second stuff so in really two thousand eleven that's like the first on top access they didn't find a better picture actually it's prefix lever that's me out there on the board sketching for the new design an estimate maybe you some of you know from his on the right is the founder and of on call and so we were just five people like than packing on the scout thing and then in like two thousand eleven i post my thesis a goal usability in free software which was very much influenced by norm and pile work on cloud and to push forward actually that the design and usability and for software and then in late two thousand twelve no if you can read it but there's integrate own clouding know and it was push forward piracy i don't know if here you may so to integrate untalented norm sinking of calendar contacts and that was started like two thousand twelve also a somewhere times tree is here also serum okay hero to mail to the and what was the marketing this hey guys do you what you think about installing on cloud and the then shortly after i'm gonna share later it actually happened so thanks you also so what about the current state actually of integration we have grown integration into online accounts so you can you can synchronise you calendar and contacts with the evolution and you can sing files so it actually looks like is you have your files mounted as a as a lot of resource and not a list and you can access then do anything you want with it it's like a what if resource and we also have the as i mentioned before we also have the sinking client and that's actually sings your data on your device whereas this is like a network drive then we have a calendar integration and the contacts integration and we're looking forward to add more stuff and so that's why i've talked to a lot of you people and i think somebody a we have a deployment at the cloud don't know not or where you can we can use on top will check or you will receive this that's fine in screen and you can if you question account and andrea so currently it's like currently available to all going teams well if your foundation member a lot but basically is like ask and referent account and you will get an account at startup norman organ you can share with other numbers you can you can create groups three teams and you can just show you documents secure stuff secure calendars and have it available everywhere so i think that's pretty cool i think that too and but i think it's like we need to look way forward or it's like even in the immediate future there's lots of things that we can we can we can do integrating more applications for instance so one issue that is still and from the norm online accounts integration is documents pick up the own code documents i think the norm documents integration from google from non one like council oops that was a the type of so it needs to like going on documents should be integrated so that the documents of the files that you have online your own proud or just send and then we have nodes we have like a very simple notes at and on cloud and there we actually have a collaboration i think here even is not here but he does the he does the don't know that which is a formally called be japan and maybe you heard about it and it actually already sense so you have like hello known thank you have a there and you can just edit it because it works and also via web stuff just use a second notes subfolder in the in the finals files that so it just gets and for free essentially and so you can you can already have like if you use the same client you can already sing to know what's you don't even need to wait for notes to be finished a you can just use your favourite editor and use it but i think that knows that is way better than just using the file system and then a we have a news that so as all of you know who would reader not existing anymore so if you use this it's too late now well you feel are gone that's kind of a problem so there is several attentive there's like newsletter which is also free and open source it's hosted and there is a tiny rss which is like an it's also php software or something and then there's on top news which is a an integrated news at some but then it over there and i think it's really important because it's and it's quite a it's quite a but or it seems like it's quite a fringe at or quite a fringe on a use case like to read websites or something because nowadays like people use facebook introduced ritter and stuff but that's exactly the point we should be able to we them on our own space and we should be able to track the website on our own in our own servers in our own homes the same so and i also like to dedicate this slides to our and sports who worked on the process specification and in general on the freedom of the what and there customer i think you don't see a that's pretty it it's the news design documents on the left of numbered or weekly that no not or and i think customers working on a newsreader for known so that should be able to sink with that newsreader then and what you get for free is an android until newsreader you can already downloaded and support the developers like it's a it's a paid out and i think it's really good because it's an open source hey that's you can also download the source and compile it whatnot it's upon get help but i think it's really important also support open source so if you have a hundred phone just a have to the store and support the developer of it and it we have there's and i was a and in development it's karen in beta and there is a blackberry have i think and windows phone at development also and then next we have nice i think the i can and number you your can right you remember that okay so maps there is i just yesterday amenity S who's doing the masking on that set and we have some people working on there's also into sucks student for katie who does the marble and on cloud integration marbles the matched up of katie it's like a really go and stuff so i think that's really important because there's google maps and then there is nothing for a long time and then maybe there is like open stream and somewhere but you can't do routing stuff and so i really think it's important that we have a proper maps solution i we can just simply search get directions say favourite places and just have that things where wherever we are like whichever device we use because it's us it's just like it i forgot what i wanna say but it's important to have maps so the next with music there's music at the development and we have like a basic music at for about and there's also turn you go with some of coke student working on a sinking with achieve i think and i think planet already talked with the cool summer of course didn't of you guys and that of course we also need just think it's like very simple just do the dance and sing the data and have it on your desktop and whenever something happens have a new desktop and have it on all your devices essentially and then there's this thing like it's i feel is kind of the elephant in the room it's mail it's like i can almost imagine what we use for mail and i think it's a really big problem so where like our collective hacker intelligence when's that we all use this mail provider so i think it's really important that we have a proper mail solution that is that is looking good working well and just like basic stuff like fretting and moving stuff filters and that's some things automatically so we have a start at get about comes like jean claude such mail it's very basic but it's a start and especially there if you're interested i would invite you to collaborate there and so we can we can finally host their own email again and then there is bookmarks pretty basically we have bookmarks at and i'd actually any of the epiphany or web guys anyone okay i need to talk to them later because bookmarks again pretty normal thing just synced bookmarks and there you also get another thing for free which is not bookmarks friend right also and you just have the have the have the bookmarks on your and right device even better would be of course to sink it like directly i don't know if that that's possible like with the browser but there you have it in the out in a couple of months then videos i thought question there is and don't videos that and there is in development i saw some commits a about a an uncut videos that so that you just have like peer videos on the web and just also have those and it's like it's just really basic i'm just listening actually the data just need to be saying and tasks i just heard is the land of here okay all something to talk to him later this is doing getting these things you know my heard and we also have like a basic test up and it would be cool to also i think that and i could i could continue on and on and on and there are so many well actually they're not so many more apps that could be sent a that was pretty much like the core stuff that what you get when you when you get an android phone when you get in iphone or something like the basic apps that everyone needs and they they're like some tiny more that's but there's more than just data and aspect because data and ask i think is very tangible but you can you know where your data is you have your home folder and you can just copy over you can you can back it up on a hard drive a you know where your apps are you know what the ask you often use are if you miss and happy just install it or something but that's cumbersome and what happens and this happens so your laptops brokenness on fire i don't know it's like yesterday you went too much to drink and you fell into the we have a river here in the city anyway if we don't have one something else happened and i think it's important that we also think about all this stuff because that's the annoying stuff that we need to always said like appearance like the that that's the background if i have a funny i don't know funny scroll picture on my background as my background i want everything to it's not that simple it's just some single file and want to have it when my laptops broken i want to have a manual a brightness unlock seems like what is there to saying well the time and it takes a lot or of brightness level of the what happens if you on market like to just ask for passport or not keyboard layout the if you change the keyword layout any keyboard shortcuts the other online accounts you have configured bluetooth which device you're paired with any specific colour settings displays when you need use project or something and you have specific resolutions it's like if you go on a non also touchpad like specific settings like sensitivity a network save wifi sweater passports power settings what happens if i put the lid down a printer is annoying as hell as it is so we should not make it more nine us so just a friend there is when i like when i connect to printer just save it and thank you don't have the configuration "'cause" otherwise if i have a new laptop i need to configure it all again and it's also annoying of the we have the i got date and time something as simple as that if it changed my change my regional settings or and also for sources like install software user counts alright like user images or something like your real name or so all of this like saying all of this i heard there's something called chi settings and we should plug that into and one line accounts to and just think that like to me as a design sounds easy enough but i would like to talk to the person who can do that so next thing is like everything that is there also need to miss and we have installed apps like every at i have installed every a i have not installed because i find myself when i set up a new computer and still everything and i uninstall also a whole bunch of stuff because i don't want certain apps to show up in the in the overview because i just never use that so i want that to be remembered as well and the favourite apps a the screen configuration like if you use if you still workspace i mean maybe even open apps like when you computer got smashed like when you were actually working on something like mark was not gonna give a then you want your current configuration saved as much as you can recently search items all that stuff like even the current volume i don't know that's really not that important but let's make important then there's like especially for recorder see of the best receiver get comfy i guess age you could you can use all this dot files right we have this there's a strand of having a dot files repository upon gets out so why do we need that stuff i mean it's funny to share the can think but we should also just have it saying and have it set up when you found your new computer i just haven't work like i don't wanna go express the need to install get then i need to clone the repository and then i have to say i have set it up i should just login username and then everything is done next thing is like passwords like for wife eyes for websites like also for the browser again notifications like red states is like the most annoying thing you use different device even even if you just use two devices like you read it on one device and on the other device still there that essentially makes medications pointless because there's just a slew of messages that you don't know jittery this that we do not read this then there's fonts like all my fun files actually like i want to use a different font but it didn't work like whatever i want that saying and there's like a whole bunch of other things like an single think about we talked about that day before yesterday and we came up with like a long list of stuff and essentially of everything that isn't settings plus there's and probably some more things and then something which i really think is important also that high scores for games like when you are at this point or even further like when you many finish this thing right when you finish you know mine on this level you all i do that like maybe once we or something and i have new high score and then i want have saying that because that's very important because i can show it off to my friends and them on my computer hume pewter is broken i don't know that high score anymore and that's a pity because of them my friends think i'm line that people shouldn't have to like to their friends about the high scores so we should just so right it's like it's pretty basic a but that's a stuff you never think about when you when you think about data sink it's like only small things which are in inside the apps which are inside the configuration files all this all this difference stuff that makes up the whole the whole of what i put into the computer or what i did with the computer what i want to be there when i when and solid again or when i when i have a different device very simple actually so just have the apps and then sink everything and not only the data that is in there but also data vic the metadata and everything like you probably or most of you probably know more what's there is or which data there is so just think that just everything and if your mind blowing it then i would like to propose that we just do it i talked to several people you already which i mentioned also and i wanna or we like as long thought or in the on call community we want to talk to more of your and wanna collaborate on even more so that we can we can just have like have a free desktop operating system with police things like freak out service so this i think you have your of your old insulation or you started in on the door and then you can just one someone takes a hammer especially laptop well you just have to devices like i don't know i don't think happens that often that someone takes a hammer something but you just have to devices we just want to have everything same it can it's a pain right i just someone you have what i think lots of your people have like for three non devices and it's quite a pain to get those saying but we should always remember that it's not about the technology like it's not about on clouds not about can home and it's not about what do you actually do that if you think it or if you just have it online or whatnot but it's about people that we do it for and what they what they expect like if they use it if they don't use gnome if they don't use on clothing that's why like the come online accounts approach so much is that it just into it is able or it can potentially integrate anything like and it can integrate flicker facebook will whatever because people use those services but we should also make it easy and to integrate other services and so like with without for instance we also make it possible to month you will go drive to monitor drop box to plug in your i don't know what it's just what people use that's important that should be important for us thank you address i so i heard you mention briefly own collapse no like how okay yes it's like step install on your own so that instance and just run right and out of the base system i think we could integrate those guys specifically in into the online counts because it's a tricky thing right hunting on let's ever it would be it would have different capable right it would have different apps so i'm the francisco calendar and contacts you have like colour and conduct of these exposed protocols and working on a P R's for the specific that's like for the know that for instance in the future there would be an A P I for bookmarks should be an A P I for maps and i feel like to expose the you adjacent data or something and so they're like we need to we need to probably have something to convert better to have a common format well what you mean but you are do you can check like which apps installed phones please and then there is but like what's plan to be part of a colour right so you can always expect to be here right so that you never know that's the that something like the only thing you always knows that there's files so that there's matter and that's the only thing that will ever or that is ever fully expect to be there and but like i have said i guy i don't know exactly but i think probably when you do like a count of requests on the server which doesn't have counter enabled probably returns an error it's times like there is no counter installed and i could imagine i don't know but i could imagine and how wouldn't want the situation where you running against multiple instances alone about because assuming multiple instance because we have one you know where well company we have while they're we have one there a i want like no calendar to track the release date the free states but i want my office cal that attract the office ones and i certainly don't want my the disappointment in the ghetto calendar and the serious that these arts trying to you if you open up loaded like corporate files documents to the O is think how do we want to solve the privacy issue so you mean like i have two different i'm glad instances in the non online accounts for example i don't know if that's possible does anyone know that well what should so earnest possible or so what you know what most is how should we solve the privacy issues that come from that situation because more things and moving to the cloud more things and moving their we using a various levels of drop looks accounts on various companies it's a bit of pain and yes to have voiced also drop offs and are running on four different use cup accounts because you can't login several drop box accounts is wants but if you have separate components is like yes not a problem where you when you be event in the calendar you can specify which calendar you want to and i don't get sick people make up to so all contacts and it doesn't accompanist but files for example it sings all the files it shows and it shows is a different but of resource it doesn't mix them up or anything okay if i can put this like that one okay where was a right okay i mean one thing for the you want to the first one or the other one okay okay anything well i'm here and so what managers okay take into help ensure the security of data is that saying them always terrified of and big corporations you have like millions of dollars invested sometimes still league lots of dater get so if like and using on cloud on a gnome server how can i trusted that's a good question actually do you trust and references i know like corporations that likes to provide security to us and we have an to so even but i was just okay so the thing is there is there is an encryption have a in or for about i don't know the state of it exactly and but there is like an effort to also have a host secure so that you that you don't need to trust your poster to secure your data the problem with that like we with or in our specific case without out with for example end to end encryption is that you wouldn't be able to use the web interface anymore which kind of makes the whole thing the mood point so there you could just use like to perhaps you could even use it with box for instance so that's a harder problem solved but we're working on it but it's like it's super hard but we certainly care about that does that answer your question just one thing i don't like the lee was previously being offered most is like a chrome extension and that's like firefox extension like will ever be possible for on cloud to have offer like a browser side extension that would be of the like transparently display things that would be encrypted don't know cloud servers so like they come back to your clients and they are the crypt that there overlap hard i'm not sure about that i'm not that much of a programmer tutor to answer the question i think we i think it would certainly be possible because like nearly everything is possible i guess but someone needs to do it that's like always from i think there's so maybe some of you know approvingly if you questions so i have a question but this is well the thing is that it has like if you compared that box right there is a nice notification when somebody and share the document or something with you a i don't associate client that's written in katie as when they will be when you see a something similar that integrates better make you know i so i don't think we have the resources to like to a native G T K implementation if that's what you're asking because like you typically vic frostbite from thing that we chose because we can do it on windows and michael's and the two people working on and are to T people so there's no i think there's nobody currently working on like you that on a G T K implementation just because like we just have to people and it's just on possible but i also have like a i have a last slide come and say hi to us where all the code is also open source gettable concert on cloud are see channel on content and on product design we also have a design channel you have enough i really like and i is there any way you like i had exchanged count there and easily in work out there's a will so we so that's a big problem right now you can you can export calendars where you can important like it's like that's a problem i know but in it will be in the in about six and the next severance so this kind of an extension of wondrous question number to have a very that i can see over files and i haven't talked to you guys maybe for you that's true are you thinking about having some kind of general data we are in the or parent are do you know anything about that i've i probably i could imagine that you have like we have so we are trying to do would like in general ache if i remember correctly i think we were trying to do like a general like generalise core api but i don't know how for that goes so actually not many ask use where am use files like the calendar and contacts used a database and you could basically saying anything and we were two we're trying to do like a proper api so and i think it's deprecated so i think we're in the process of that but you get like ideally you can you can ask on the mailing list or and get have issues because they like are developers know more about me probably so a huge i think a problem at this point you for i think the the best thing about i don't know this also probably so please you know "'cause" i think it is achilles heel this that i simply this and that's the fact that there is there's no central this know there's a well hosting provider so if you tell someone i want to use and not out there is one way to do it you immediately have to be making choices and information user experience perspective and from kind of adoption perspective that's really hard and thinking about it from the nine perspective like if we want to really push integration of be great to be able to maybe even my setup and i'm clout account and you like first great you know what in initial sets of the something for example it's very hard to do that when you're in the situation where there's always different providers by different companies and you have the enterprise all that is that we do have i know stuff but i think the only for users right like if you install gonna on then you're not like you can't use product longer or for instance the nist you one way so i like the original or like still the goal of components like that everyone has their own instance so there would also be like the what it would also be cool to have like a one click install but where does it install them it's is always kind of a problem like i do you need to trust someone you need to have a server where you need to have a friend a server where you need to have an organisation or something i definitely at that we think it's also problem also like from the from the work of perspective like are just to find people there like we have to we have to make sure it always works correctly with all these different server configurations and it just makes everything harder but as like on plot or of our own code that con we'll get it doesn't question and i was gonna come upon and what was it but on the other or don't lot of comic we will not offer hosting like will not go into the hosting business because we don't want people's data and there are other people who can do that and with their companies and universities doing it and organisations so to linux there exactly this like the one click you install on some five and you can write a so you'd wanna do something similar probably them but it's it's a lot of work if you wanna so set up for them but if it but i think then that would be your call known like saying hey our users can set it up and like when you hardcode like amazon on that would be like a solution that should be the and the people right there isn't that's the problem there is not but i don't like actually get your point i have the same problem like this back with open idea because there's like only a website like a to is right and i which one so perhaps extendible elmo saying in the question of the front like five or six years ago like that this program groupon but i would like three years of doing the client side of this and i think i'll in a few things and i would it mean your slide in on the basis of what i learned what on the signs not like think everything just sink everything on that because you do i combinatorial explosion of services the people wanna support and in this you can point is what of my at doesn't have the file format you support can i converted to another thing a plug into a system i to guy so the danger of like a sink everything model is everything's a lot of things and an impossible amount of work so just without wanting nine to get into the infrastructure providing purpose business of like untied instance everyone like what's the minimum amount of saying stuff that's useful that doesn't require us getting into business okay but i mean saying everything doesn't go very far beyond as far as data massive data goes younger actual data like all the install that's is just like a can fix which right if you'd be surprised okay but like okay maybe i don't know okay so it might make it easy for and think everything extracts on i think about the direct lex and in so that i would advise everything else is very light problem okay there's also the possibility posting yourself on your own network and i think it would be really interesting to have a small machine that you can just likes to get an S D card that you just image for example and then it would be nice if you would automatically to discover that's we don't than anything and then if that would also somehow work with like U P N B or whatever and open up ports on the far wall so you can access when you leave your house can still extra data you don't have to worry about it being on you server like on amazon or something at the N S A says hey we want to get all your data you know then at least it's like within your control so i mean you probably or nearly everyone knows about freedom box if you much projects we words about having a server in your home like having actually all these services physically as like on a plaque computer in a some plug and plug into the internet and you can always access it from anywhere posting your own about essentially and that's a good point because you all seven physically amendment there's like they wanna search your data you know where it is you know that they need to get into your house for instance and then there's actually people installing on cloud on rest very high you need to optimize it's to make it work well and or unplug computers like pull plug and so you can you can already do that so that's already possible so you can post your own thing you can i mean you can even we have a just a computer that is in your home anyway maybe even running twenty four seven you can just install it on there and run it from there back on the topic a how there's no one sent like you know but you know there are some sharing and then it wouldn't address the first time set of issues but you have any plans like of anyway you know iterations thing where i could share between i would instances like i don't make about yours might what will address so definitely we have plans but that's also hard so currently you cannot share between two hundred instances so we don't have like federation like diaspora for instance we can follow different user accounts other that's definitely a consideration or like different something want to do because then you can have your like now we can share files so definitely that's a plan so with i guess all the ask that you end up producing and they're number popular sweets of web apps already available store you have are concerned about redundant efforts or just wasting like your own pro to because like than brand board of like a bunch of like the that we like nice to use or anything so that would be my answer mighty i mean there are these things and like i mean the duplicated effort things often something which is mention an open source but i think it's also good that we have like multiple things and sometimes they're just outdated projects and it's a it's like this behemoth of piece of software and no one actually like or some people like to use a maybe but i think it's good to just like start a new from time to time and to make something new something simpler so i totally get your point but i think it's good to just make a new it was a newsreader for instance there has been time ten yards as which i think i wanna calling names or whatever but it like it doesn't look like that new right it does look like feebly or whatever and i think with the companies that we did a very good very simple newsreader at which looks very good it's very simple to use and it's just starting from zero and we did something good i think it's not switch on okay also about and federation of any are there any plans a for the is showing without to users without account say i want to send a file to my a friend it's not very i think also well have to on a on a account and a it see that's we directed then locking page he will okay so there is already a publicly feature so you can actually already do that like you can you just say share publicly like it's publicly like it's really it's a tokenized link you can also password protected actually so actually private so you can just send that link to them and they're like if it's an image to get a preview if it's a "'cause" the pulled or something we can download it on so that's already possible any more questions or otherwise we can like just let's talk and that's let's try to a collaborate more thanks again