i know might to is about building but writing a duplicate three tutorial more specifically i did you can three tutorial for by then but please look at this is like a starting because it's not at the but i think it had ideas that can be used it in a lot about that experiences so it's okay do you know use one year ago i was you and i want to select i wanted to learn i nearly five so i said okay let's start with iphone years ago the situation with this that was the G T K three reference manuel but see what longer a lot of methods for each we just and that's you some knowledge i wasn't there that way many tutorials for G T K if i can which is okay to update that anyway everywhere that was a digit again reject python tutorial by sebastian those the very well done know will though at the time it was not complete a and we was not them don't or again i think that's bit of a problem there where video tutorials but i think that's a video tutorial is a bit hard to follow you have to so you have a what your bit of the tutorial then try to rip and here's what what's done in the tutorial see words then go back to the video that try to reproduce the next step and so on so i don't think they are taught i know that or on the develop we don't know we don't like that where the ten minutes tutorials for examples like image of you where but if you are a complete beginner me too much i think so here comes my project for be the oblivious must first of all find a nice mentor non financial all ski very nice set up one it was already there so so far so good follow the plan you know exactly have planned but we will see that be something it doesn't do much mention as i was young and foolish but i don't know it was something hobble want to or you know about or so you want to contribute you know you go to you know go to work and you find one tutorial that cakes all that's good you know or you thought this is a toyota where there and makes them vector sorry that's been nice what happened theory it one practise it there we change your plan what it worked so here's this way first one which was the planned a or there and it was followed until last year a collection of pages organise using plus harder to for each we just one page a sometimes a couple for the more tricky we just like three new or a combo box but generally when we just one page one page one we just and each page had a picture of the well so nice break description of the we'd what that we just the code that's used for writing big so yep some useful methods not all the method so because it would be too long problem an experienced programmer would have found it maybe a bit too easy but most important and that's a little bit easier would have finally too hard collection of pages there's we don't spend i hello put together so i think you know things okay i'll start with the window that's good i see now i live near here let's try that one i they don't even they didn't even know how to i did a whole an image so that we know that the there basically not not good second one the ways to move through the material this is an expert and it he moves through the material as he or she wants again collection of classifier you're an expert you know what you want you but there this is not a dinner i would be have a progressive pages you start with that we know that and you move dramatic knee much but we know i'd you know able to the we know so also that like two types of pages the we just pages as before and it's on here pages for instance what you want to to at the bottom and what be john is i recap on the ideas of signal thing callbacks would like but you do it before this was the progression pages more or less production windows images the labels we don't scrolling because they don much program with its buttons start a sparse thinner and we just search everything trade but that's you menus dialogues menus we using late as much as possible so the lectures model view controller declines com about sent excuse i do you and finally custom we just easy and hard if you're an expert having show off the useful method yes okay the few and you don't need the you very pages but if you are a beginner i guess you have the image of the of the we just okay that's what it is a description of what it okay and that this well in which you crash the called for example was commented had more or less it was one line of code and before that what the line was a going to do this was in theory a good thing for the newcomer but okay you have a window the code is not much you have a three you but if you have a quick for tree view still i'll you kinda lost so one from here it is this one was started in brno this year so it's you there are how to wise for super experts they are first see your super export usually know see and the idea is the you already know F almost everything but you have heard of this new technology this new thing you want to know a bit more you got there there's was there are snippets of code not much and you learn something here right over tea it will use the man behind this then for sport right so but that's you have you have you have a sky like for twelve work hard people but i mean it's that or else we how but i would postpone the were on the be used tutorials i don't concentrating on know what i think is the most important thing or you for again again a progression of pages year harder more your pages done before not don't give most anything for correcting but we just pages what do i mean we about your which page let's see a picture for example and that what the we just us this is things are very important if you are you are you okay you know what do we know we use but do you know the difference when you start did you know the difference between a radio button and and talk about i didn't i didn't so you have to explain very well then and this is supportive maybe asked that by step the idea all writing of the called projects no more cool don't you start with we are going to do this i had some thing this is more or less what the vts it but we are doing it not only but a but on a page so you can were good you can switch back and forth well but you don't have the passage of stopping the video you can go through it actual base i think is useful method again all that useful method your big you know you don't want to your over help by all the methods for come exercises very useful very boring to write but so useful so how much is done not much story what is being done is here for the general get station how this is the company show if you want to do and this is like that the beginning rested or you know so what javascript tutorial at this that the by when i know the why are there because it it's what i worked but this can be generalised javascript i for the one better it's taken care of that and i think we should work you need to because your but there again you know by that and javascript but you're not an expert it not there so you read a bit of the by then page on a bit of the javascript enjoy combining them together you understand it matter same for see if there are any volunteers for this thank you for libraries suggested for priorities are very well and what else what all those are one race for the future for the distant future so first i would like to have something more concrete but there are something fish they're active court academy style wow what would like finally one what are we going to what the this about or don't know not all of course so help as well i think that would be a good idea your newcomer keep on saying this this is the whole point to developer don't know don't or the value for new now that's something for the it guys you want to start i want to learn but not of a very sell a link in the hell for section states that is saying would you like to contribute would like to do so the only to developer don't like it but something that put fifty it's a good idea okay we think i'm sorry it comfy and thank you very much i questions me but so which is it different to tool for point in jobs people she okay going to be like lurched the same steps of doing the same page or you don't like different we just we just norman but i think that we should a heap the beaches i think that are possible but of course it it's not possible so happy that that's because of the differences between the which is so same example would be a good idea but of course the pathogen the that by that but will be at a different and rewarded the if you have different features for each tutorial well for each other which make it the synchronise so i'm going to work in that other side we are in the first that's but yes we talk with my about how we are present that tutorials wait for example and it's a time and a lot of the way that google organise it api references where you can say between different languages i think i saw he that he out that way makes sense to keep the pages that right as smart as say that that's a that's i'm just looking or on the truth put enormous the be useful for the little bit i don't again you that would use but i would just go to the put a maybe looking the there's a need to book so sorry so there is to do it know of the of the list of all possible but we could which is this problem with all the paper you and bruce for two weeks it's it then maybe we should promote they want to use it i have are also talk the idea of having developer that's it well what we have use is to having the accessible in some cases would be a really good idea we fix all those in languages cheesecake the tree you folks so who but the you look to the company has there been and it looks well actually printed up with them no it as i said it but future in the future i would like to have a something down first that and then maybe change a that and it's a something but if somebody wants to do that you should allow them but i think that is that it's it would that or analogies from what we need now what what's your opinion on the topic having you know like gamer some application that's very but it's really working but then it's very easy to start a small things about it like of this was in the tips you know on the second day for getting kids interested in programming by giving them but up that they can we maybe we could have something like this with you know what form like something sort of like the show an application that could be justly customise or extend do than a lot of ways you think that this is interesting you use i think would be interesting i think this would fall and the i mean that's just toying L part to so you alright you know some theory and then you go back to that maybe know to it would be i mean and don't and thinking about this now how that this to be a good idea i think maybe it's just the way how you know i think that you usually start with that found theory X out of course not just a theory and then you build something so it would be a good idea we know maybe so the game a example to where you know whatever whatever with the specify the program is it so you have to be at least here in the tutorial the game you say six plus five class of people dies for at this age for what yes and okay this could also be a challenger you don't have you haven't done or the tutorial the basics just or and you try doing the okay you suggested without see so you push yourself if you don't know something you go back to the just you know yes i think so you can more than the i mean at the thought you know i mean or combined with and minutes tutorial sorry you it i think that one of things that happened in the last year was the translators that these you saying cold that kurt that basically get it's the lay or G Q W I file and renders it on and but page using the probably back and for G T K and why things that could be useful to do would be to i that to do you like cold academy style but not really so you can basically just see that you why then you're preaching and having stuff and maybe using javascript to connect a signal send induced so that could be an interesting way to centralise the stuff without going for court economy yes it in the back so because that that's one and i think is something like mission the small examples and then we this to do stuff and a story for get it like topics like jic a tree view assuming we don't really inside you to get so soon i think a those are will be complex to actually handle so i don't know if we should just have like small that orioles for those kind of thing it interesting idea for that you could you could you example would be to do all the you obnoxious annoying work you have to do to get one up running but leave the functions that provide the actual data and the and the connected like is that all that and in doing so forces you to go in there and see how that's all set up and then like you can you can you can copy this that and other programs or use that as a basis for thirteen euros i think that between actually i combine like i think we can get somewhere very okay i have one question i'm working and using known for like ten years and the biggest problem always something documentation not for usual hackers like because crackers usually find things when they have to but the tutorial is always have been a big problem for us i see i kind of i cannot agree with all ideas you have finally gets into because it's not easy just that's what i wanted to ask is that is that very concrete time plan all this because you know always these documentation ideas there floating around it would be very good to have something first for some like to be complete and then thing how to improve it's because it's usually well we this cost is only called ideas people are reading people also think me hope to do this in G T K or that's and i say i just to do and just go with the mass and in the and then ask that all to the number hard course from channel in in it's team but so is there any one yes so that's or something which is that the second line that that's complete that was done now a that was done X in a but where last year so it's not a today to but because no project yes okay and custom widget was that it more recently and i don't think it's a great they but at least it's something but for the rest that it was done do over that well that all i can you get a the U R L later i don't remember it might hard to but maybe you at the idea would be but you should be able to honestly because it's like no one actually knows that it's finished and so everyone votes sparse knowledge at that a one more thing us something like that can laugh are between the first and the second line that is already there for jobless create a lot and see maybe slightly for warren but it's already there for those languages as well okay okay and questions more than that's what i second well you have it's not question is just a i you because well some people english on the well maybe chinese to english just is not of the first thing which so instead and any idealist well by a mm more see how it is or call i will call a compound mean so when they come to decide they can they can name something about is like you well what we did get a one page and they passed these a disco and they will get some package i think that will push a some if you people to then and the second one of these when you log into the for example call that mean then we show they will show the chinese i think that is very important and the website they have a profile to tattle and we can have a payphone to translate the description to the czech you don't run is all of our regulation a show i think that might be good for the beginner so i think maybe sometimes the is not difficult to start to write some call and then cellphone the G D K i think maybe for some students how to to see the whole the total disk option to do an editorial you know we try to use the will go ahead now to help us that started out of the real we stuff be keener so you know the focus you start of real okay they can just focus and or where the might be twenty meetings or well more we have infrastructure for all of these be translated which is translated actually okay so there's also this oil package which okay that virtually anywhere actually so is it any that the base you know that there is the paying as you have a pen what they call the old and they case so when you freeze on some scale they will give it back to prove you have the sound scale like that we the variational we can a thing like that this is actually a because i think i love my we have we asia because if you have batch of the school we'll we can manage you have then you have and then some see so you don't need to then and not assumption in school so O D C and i think we to assess it was things you know that we do university student in taiwan and meant to some service but the server that are we what the what we only select in the school no do something clean the school so we saw seven for you to make it a place for all the while change light always sauce people far and to repress only you have to something going to school so if we have a page something like that so we can we can tell the priest for make and then some and something of good we still opens also least thirty K and to reprise to something sort of these things school back to me i see like a good idea one thing a well with the dog the internationalisation team on tuesday morning projects joins you us for suggestions very of focus by us for suggestions a very focus i would suggest rather not very so focus which is like everything other than G T K i think the docks team in the past has gotten into trouble trying to cover too many bits that used to require everything because you really need to have like that one thing and go with the and i think that things should obviously did you okay i would the tires hundred okay and maybe a worth for that people working on thing that and we if we where one whole like put a light where which the load but people one time the up here there's a couple of our is that are not quite related to the G T K thing that i think should mention a better than in that role you know i was looking previously a couple of them or how should you lay out your program what folders should have where she's alive risky what fine is truly using you should have the it quick introduction of the in by from this up to support how you packaging it and that's the main code should be an only close the library and all those things because this how a lot of confusion especially when you just showing snippets on the code page of people the cup of them or place and straight document running is and they would have a complete mess that they can never disputed and one many of those things trying to put a bin do maintain owns translations and of things all those things all the media and that also needs to be told only i mean the still know you got all sitting up at C based program of what will use files to be by how should we can figure out of no you just copied from get it because that's additional way of doing things yes thinking about a way to around it very real problem okay i'm really introduction to that to tori out and of it like that and that the people that are looking for the think that have but we don't land on that page without going through the auditory out so maybe i know i need to say this is a part project or an see internet can okay thank well i don't know i about it i think it i think that quite nicely into the idea of having a preformed application the this design to be are done because then have these you're starting out with a fully worked out of tools from something that nominally hopefully was designed to be a good starting point for your project rather than just taking some random project and copying whatever they have i think that might be apartments are and another thing is that i don't know if you know but and you know will you go in and start a new project girls that out a bunch of other tools you already the mean will talk about them in the tutorial will be powerful so that should be do that but on the way as well the symbol small things and i think it's a page that should be a break to all the application this is how we should be looking at be something nice small yours so you should do this why we do this in the do this world that's that's the whole point of the stuff like that and it is in the interesting be done a with the comments on the whole on that went out when we used to have a if you look now to the to the for that we have now of the story our the one with the world school the day talked about this was achieved or trying to share with the one line that of comment and that what we are doing commented how we are doing what we are going to do this is that we do and so on but now but being transformed into the that like that for better rhythm your sorry i was interested in asking you i know a just reading that minutes from that from the board meetings i see mention of the board having contacted open about and doing a beginner's workshops and things like that and i know that for the open hatch workshops they do interactive coding you know they use coding and so i was wondering if and we were meant you were mentioning court academy we do you think it might you good idea to see what the do you know what the board was talking to know and also and i'm sorry maybe like something together that i think that and i was mentioning for that how then you because it was our the first example but okay and i know i know everyone know that we also very famous but i think that open heart is also very interesting it's a very good the project so i will i will ask members of the board why the about that the students my question is you have any plans to have an academic course material or no problem no not now if well let me answer that question was a don't please some academic stuff basically the problem is that no problem in is a very a rapidly changing topic as it is just so i'm not academic an awful it's a not something that is do not an awful that the last long actually i like that with have like that my way of learning is what thirty at the end of the exercise a little leery vendor the exercise that off the exercise play around and then the right from that the theory that you need to what i was thinking is that is a very then we have thinking so i think that to all here if you discard the ten minutes tutorial lady against and so one know that we discussed before you could and easily for almost easily i doubt the beginners tutorial when academic ca syllables but my only experience of teaching and academia with being at forum ask for so and that was some years ago suggest a lot of material just it's