19:08:45 #startmeeting 19:08:45 Meeting started Wed Mar 5 19:08:45 2014 UTC. The chair is sri. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:08:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:09:00 #topic SXSW planning 19:09:15 I sent out a mail earlier today regarding what we are doign in SXSW 19:09:23 I had a call with Karen yesteray to generate some action items 19:09:33 so to re-iterate what we are doing from the mail: 19:09:44 1) tweet/retweet GNOME's presence at SXSW 19:09:57 2) tweet/retweet Karen Sandler's talk at SXSW 19:10:13 when is this talk? ^ 19:10:17 3) tweet/retweet GNOME event at Muddys 19:10:20 Karen's talk is on Saturday 19:10:26 and the event? 19:10:32 Saturday evening 19:10:39 at least that is the plan 19:10:40 cool, GNOME day :) 19:10:51 what is Karen's talk about? 19:11:13 it wasn't muddy's it is "Mugshots" 19:11:57 how does this GNOME event work? 19:12:03 Hello, I've just arrived. 19:12:09 fabiana: it's the one she usually presents 19:12:28 so OPW-focused, right? 19:12:33 or the medical devices one? 19:12:43 andreasn: we reserve soem space at the venue (currently Mugshot - 10 minutes walk from the venue), we have a poster and then we invite people to come over and talk with us 19:12:49 cmedical devices one 19:12:59 she's tweaked it for SXSW audience 19:13:07 what apart from a poster do you have? 19:13:10 hiya alxgrtnstrngl :) 19:13:11 anything to hand out? 19:13:12 interesting! 19:13:30 we talked about fliers, but I'm sort of iffy about getting them printed out 19:13:35 we might just print the fliers in Austin 19:13:49 but we also want to get contacts so that we can contact them later. 19:13:59 karen feels that most peple like being contacted 19:14:00 right 19:14:20 I feel business cards + fliers could be nice to have 19:14:28 my original idea was to bring usb sticks that people can stick on their computers to run and with a cntact on the usb stick. 19:14:41 if you talk to people about GNOME, it might be cool to give them some reference to check later 19:14:59 we talked about business cards, but felt it was kind of late to do it.. and it goes back to, getting their contacts rather than us giving them things. 19:15:15 I like the business card, because it gives a specific person to contact and a name and face 19:15:28 so, basically, you will have a poster 19:15:32 and yourselves 19:15:34 we had talked about a page or something that we could point people at, maybe a special SXSW page? 19:15:42 like "welcome SXSW visitors!" type of thing 19:15:49 yep! 19:16:13 I think gnome.org is a simple enough URL for people to remember 19:16:23 anything more complicated might just be forgotten 19:16:26 I think that's fine, because I don't really know the audience that well adn we could have 5 people or maybe a 100 people so being conservative is fine 19:16:53 right, I guess this year to some extent it's about getting to know the conference 19:16:54 okay, makes sense, fabiana 19:17:01 yeah 19:17:11 if you are able to write a report or a blog post afterwards that would be awesome 19:17:19 karen knows it but mostly because the whole city goes into party mode when the music festival starts :D 19:17:30 Karen and I plan on blogging today about going to the event 19:17:37 yeah, a report on the event would be really awesome 19:17:41 and then of course, do some tweeting during and then a post conference report 19:17:53 it'd be nice to have a wiki page for reference too 19:17:59 well, the report is mandatory I think :) 19:18:10 you know, what worked and what didn't, what nice things others did, etc 19:18:12 so regarding the tweeting, you and Karen have all the credentials to be able to tweet etc? 19:18:13 sure, I can do that.. maybe at the end of each day or something I can put something on the wiki 19:18:24 andreasn: yep, i have the gnome tweet account user/pass 19:18:27 sri: awesome! thanks so much 19:18:35 but we will need others to re-tweet as well. 19:18:57 sure, of course 19:19:03 andreasn and I will keep an eye on twitter on Saturday for anything worth retweeting 19:19:56 great! 19:20:02 sri: just to confirm: it's Sat 8th not 15th, right? 19:20:03 I have already printed out a poster, pick it up later tdoay 19:20:11 yes, saturday the 8th 19:20:15 cool 19:20:46 SXSW is one expensive place 19:20:53 crazy expensive.. 19:21:09 also I sent some links to the presnetations 19:21:11 and there are a LOT 19:21:22 mind numbing amount of presentations over teh weekend. 19:21:42 cool, sounds fun 19:21:49 I think it will be. 19:21:59 :) 19:22:11 sri: do you know of any FOSS-related talks we should keep an eye on? 19:22:33 fabiana: I dont' think there is a lot out there, I think teh EFF may have something 19:22:40 fabiana: I did see some nice tlak on community management and outreach 19:22:46 fabiana: and how to handle social media 19:23:17 right 19:23:45 I think free software is not an often talked about topic there :) 19:23:46 * diegoe waves 19:23:58 so summing up, SWSX: tweeting/retweeting, reports and wiki page, poster for GNOME event 19:24:03 here is the venue: 19:24:04 http://www.yelp.com/biz/mugshots-austin 19:24:12 yep 19:24:23 oh yeah, just want to make one other comment 19:24:30 Tiffany has been awesome helping here. 19:24:40 we are using her as an event coordinator 19:24:47 yey tiffany 19:24:54 and she's helped us look at venues, calling and what not. 19:24:54 pretty cool 19:25:08 sri: it'd be awesome if you could bring these discussions to the mailing list 19:25:12 yeah, I was telling Karen that an event coordinator is one of those things that you don't know you want till you have it 19:25:15 I think we could all learn a lot from them 19:25:17 then wonder how you ever got along without one. 19:25:26 fabiana: sure 19:25:46 I usually try to discuss everything on the mailing list and not go off list 19:26:02 and it'd also be pretty cool to have tiffany closer to the team, she's quite good at engagement stuff 19:26:18 yeah, we want to re-use her videos from guadec last year. 19:26:27 she went through an aweful amount of trouble 19:26:36 and if we can use some of it, that would be great. 19:26:41 definitely 19:26:45 in any case, she's still engaged and still wants to do GNOME stuff 19:26:48 just need to tell her waht to do. 19:26:55 going to get her involved in guadec 19:27:05 but if we want to setup an event, we should just ask her to do it. 19:27:09 she'll get it done, she's very reliable. 19:27:36 awesome! yeah, if we get her to join the our channels, that makes dialogue a lot easier 19:27:44 I'll ask her if she can do it 19:27:46 sri: so that's an action item for you, haha 19:27:50 she's a bit shy 19:27:55 yay, action item for me :) 19:27:56 :P 19:28:01 but cool, so I guess that's it for SXSW? 19:28:08 we can cure that with our silliness 19:28:10 yeah, let's move on to the next topic. 19:28:43 I guess you have to work your meetingbot magic, sri 19:28:43 #topic westcoast hackfest 19:28:44 :D 19:28:49 sri: (I'd add that if you tweet, try to include a photo, even if it's just a sticker on your laptop. bonus points for filters. photos are much more likely to be seen) 19:29:04 diegoe: my laptop is stickered out man :) 19:29:05 +1 ^ 19:29:28 so what's up with the hackfest? 19:29:36 we should probably talk about making sure that we have a cache of stickers and what not in the U.S. 19:29:41 yeah.. so let me update you guys 19:29:53 hackfest is totally on, 19:30:02 I think we're pretty mcuh got everything in place 19:30:18 the topics are going to be amazing and there are just a lot of cool things to hack on. 19:30:36 now, I have a bunch of people who represent the entire stack from kernel to application devleopers 19:30:46 so I've been using that opportunity to get people to come to a community dinner 19:30:49 on teh first night. 19:30:57 so, so far I have secured some interest from ChromeOS guys 19:31:11 workign on Mozilla, if I can get them to respond to my mail *sigh* 19:31:32 OTC/Intel is sending one or two people over as they have some things they want to discuss 19:31:46 I'm hoping to get Yocto folks to come so that we can talk about gnome continuous with walters. 19:32:00 Working on getting soem folks from IVI like jaguar landrover 19:32:17 sounds nice 19:32:23 that's pretty cool 19:32:24 I invited Nat as well 19:32:43 I guess that's the kind of stuff we want to be talking about on gnome.org 19:32:46 I've been bugging OTC Marketing to give me some additoinal contacts so I can get peole like Tesla to come. 19:33:08 it's great to let people know we have some many different companies wanting to join 19:33:14 Also allan mentioned to oen of the designers of evolveos? I can't remember that project, to come to the dinner 19:33:15 s/some/so 19:33:27 yeah, news post sounds like a good idea 19:33:27 fabiana: we do! 19:33:32 and some G+ and twitter 19:33:35 pictures, and what not 19:33:36 anything else we need to do? 19:33:49 during the hackfest, diego and I are planning to do some engagement work 19:33:57 sri: would it be helpful to have any news out prior to the event? 19:34:10 I would like to hold a google hangout with you guys so that we can talk about it with teh rest of the group 19:34:22 fabiana: yep.. Lennart has already started talkign about it 19:34:25 but we need to as well. 19:34:26 during the hackfest? 19:34:30 yeah 19:34:36 sure, what date? 19:34:40 I dont' want to leave you guys out 19:34:59 maybe the 9th and the 10th? of april? 19:35:18 9th evening for you guys. 19:35:36 basically wahtever diego and I discuss, we can share with you all and then take your feedback and then re-iterate the next day 19:35:38 sri: can I haz the hackfest url? 19:35:43 10th is out for me I think 19:35:52 sure, sure 19:36:00 https://wiki.gnome.org/Events/Hackfests/WestCoastSummit2014 19:36:19 okay, let's start wtih 9th, and then maybe on teh 11th, we'll send mail otut to the list 19:36:50 I think there are many chances to come up with interesting posts re: the hackfest 19:37:04 considering there will be so many people from different interesting things 19:37:17 sri, would this be an appropriate time to gather contacts for the enterprise engagement project? 19:37:20 diegoe: would you like to come up with a posting schedule for us to work on? 19:37:24 diego and I will also blog our work and also what goes on in the hackfest. 19:37:31 definitely I wll get members to blog about it 19:37:59 alxgrtnstrngl: you mean at the community dinner? 19:38:11 sri, sort of put together a list of people willing to act as advisors, yes at the dinner. 19:38:25 enterprise engagement? 19:38:32 alxgrtnstrngl: hmm. 19:38:34 sri, or at least begin the conversation. 19:38:44 yeah, might be worth doing 19:39:01 we might need to have a separate meeting about that. 19:39:20 andreasn, do you want me to forward you the link to the etherpad entry so you can get an overview? 19:39:21 we probably need another meeting for that, I agree 19:39:25 fabiana: if we can get some info and words from the attendees before the meetup that might be interesting 19:39:28 it's too cmplex a topic 19:39:30 alxgrtnstrngl, yes please 19:39:39 alxgrtnstrngl: set it up :) 19:40:14 sri, okay do we have anyone here interested in joining in on a separate enterprise meeting perhaps next week? 19:40:22 I think we should get a blog post out as soon as possible, so anyone interested can still plan to attend 19:40:31 alxgrtnstrngl: sure, I'll join. 19:40:41 fabiana: okay 19:40:45 fabiana: +1 19:40:47 fabiana: true a hundred times 19:40:48 I can blog. 19:41:00 it is teh right time 19:41:03 I'll blog too 19:41:16 how big is the venue? It's open for the public? 19:41:27 we'll need to make sure that we tell people that travel funding is closed. 19:41:28 diegoe: sri maybe one of you can write a gnome.org post? 19:41:32 do we have photos from last year's summit? or of the venue? 19:41:44 sri: yep, good to make that clear 19:41:59 fabiana: sure thing. 19:42:19 I will tell Christian Hergert and Kristian Hoegsberg to blog as well. 19:42:33 there are some really cool stuff being hacked on, I'm really excited. 19:42:41 maybe I'll save my post for later on the week then 19:42:51 #action sri and diego to blog about hackfest 19:42:56 #action sri to tell other members to blog about hackfest 19:43:03 if both c/kristians are going to blog, we can cover more days 19:43:48 anything else on this topic? 19:44:00 photos of the venue if possible 19:44:27 otherwise we can fill in with generic GNOME meetings pics 19:44:33 #action get photos of the venue 19:44:54 I acn ask the folks at endless mobile to provide us 19:45:01 it will be at their offices 19:45:10 they are really excited about it as well. 19:45:45 :) 19:46:05 make a note to remind them to share the news on their media then 19:46:24 #action remind endless mobile to talk about hackfest 19:47:02 I have a topic regarding the release team meeting 19:47:14 but i can't remember all the details unfortunately to summarize 19:47:33 I was hoping frozcat would have shown up to talk about it 19:47:43 let me make an attempt 19:47:46 #topic release team 19:48:08 I think everything is in place for the release 19:48:18 tehy had one request in the release notes to talk about gitg 19:48:43 We are wrokign on coming up with images early so that we can have reviewers check it out 19:48:57 we aren't going to get be on wayland this time around unfortunately 19:49:11 we're hoping that we can at least get some GDM integration so that we can claim that we made progress 19:49:25 we are going to be doing a lot of htat during the west coast hackfest btw 19:49:58 mclasen agreed to do a preview release with wayland mid 3.13 cycle 19:50:07 so that we can show off the cool stuff 19:50:31 anyways, that's the news from the release team 19:50:32 cool 19:50:34 thanks 19:50:49 oaky, let's talk about annual report 19:51:02 #topic annual report 19:51:08 hows things going there, diegoe ? 19:51:17 bring it on, diegoe 19:51:48 i have a pending update on the schedule. andreasn suggested to compress some milestones, I'll probably just move it one week or so. haven't looked yet 19:52:05 besides that, people signed up for most articles, so that's fine. i also have to update the wiki for that 19:52:21 is there any articles missing? 19:53:24 checking 19:53:58 I might be missing an email but I think only the sub-topic of GNOME Summit is missing 19:54:24 GNOME summit? 19:54:31 I'll make sure to confirm that later today with an update list of times and writers 19:54:45 ok 19:54:53 sri: that's the Montreal Summit, right? 19:54:56 sri: (in Conferences, some were specifically spelled out. Asia, GUADEC, Summit) 19:54:59 fabiana: ah, right. 19:55:10 or "those who hated portland and wanted montreal instead" summit. 19:55:23 andreasn: you should also reach out to daniel and sync about the report design 19:55:43 #action andreas - reach out to daniel and sync on report design 19:55:50 goot catch, fabiana :) 19:56:09 fabiana, I will 19:56:09 there are a few things about past designs I would like to discuss too 19:56:16 diegoe, shoot 19:56:21 sri: can anyone add action items? or only you? 19:56:34 fabiana: I think you might need to be a chair, but goa head and try? 19:56:49 my peeves are mainly having more padding, white space and a different font 19:56:50 #action diego to check missing articles 19:56:57 it doesnt' make sense to not allow people to do action items 19:57:05 how do I know it worked? :P 19:57:07 #action diego to update schedule 19:57:27 av: can meetbot list action items already collected? 19:57:41 diegoe, too little white space? 19:57:59 yep. most reports have been very heavy on text and with little white space 19:58:17 indeed 19:58:35 I would like that we produce something that most people can read front to back 19:58:46 (quick and happy) 19:58:47 #commands 19:58:47 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #rejected #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk 19:59:11 http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html 19:59:12 right, so ideally shorter articles? 19:59:35 definitely, but also keeping the intention in mind for design would be cool 19:59:39 #chair andreasn 19:59:39 Current chairs: andreasn sri 20:00:00 (note I have to leave in about 10 minutes, sadly enough) 20:00:06 diegoe, sure 20:00:49 andreasn: that's also why i would like an eye friendlier font like a serif or something easier on print 20:01:08 but that might be debatable as there are some nice sans serif that are easy to read on print too 20:01:34 there is, and it's to a large extent a matter of being used to read sans-serif 20:01:47 but I'm happy to try a serif 20:01:49 Do you have a draft of the annual report? A link? 20:01:52 I'm leaning for serif because it usually has the fancy bit flipped to "on" 20:02:10 fancy bit? 20:02:19 I mean it looks a bit fancier :P 20:02:29 right, indeed 20:02:40 alxgrtnstrngl: no drafts of the new one yet 20:02:43 how do you feel about a two column layout? 20:02:50 two column \o/ 20:02:58 serifs are a better choice for formal documents, so I agree with the above. 20:03:01 sure, that might be interesting 20:03:03 #love two column layout 20:03:14 #obey two columns 20:03:19 so we also need a bunch of good photos for the report 20:03:22 the sooner the better 20:03:38 diegoe: can you put together an outline of the report? 20:03:43 that's another point I have. we need to be ruthless with photo selection. i'm already gathering some 20:03:46 I'd be happy to look for images based on it 20:04:07 fabiana: I can produce a "brief" that can help for that, that's not a bad idea 20:04:15 action-me it 20:04:38 ok, I'll take an action item to create some rough layouts of the report with junk text 20:05:31 #action andreasn to create layout proposal for the report 20:05:31 one last thing is that overall the vision I would like everyone to share is to produce something "that doesn't look made by hackers" (tongue in cheek) 20:05:40 diegoe, always man 20:06:05 #action diegoe to create an outline of the report and a list of needed images 20:06:05 :-) 20:06:22 so action works if you are not a chair? 20:06:32 andreasn is chair, diegoe 20:06:33 #action find out if #action works if you are not a chair 20:06:39 sri promoted him 20:06:40 oh i missed that 20:06:53 I tried checking the meetbot manual, but they don't say anthing about it 20:06:59 I guess we'll have to wait and see :) 20:07:00 like the time bedhad wanted a conference t-shirt that he could pick up ladies in bar with or whatever it was 20:07:08 haha 20:07:20 I don't know, that's what he asked for 20:07:30 andreasn: I think you once said that you wanted one that people would let you leave your house with 20:07:35 btw, the manual said when something was 'chair only' 20:07:41 we should assume that anybody can do action items and info 20:07:47 yeah, I guess it's a good lower barrier 20:07:51 making the chair do all that work is just silly 20:08:12 sri: probably because big meetings can be messy 20:08:16 #action confirm that "action" works when added by someone else other than the chair 20:08:28 #action what fabiana said 20:08:29 haha 20:08:36 you people are evil 20:08:53 I gotta head out, andreasn I assume you know how to end the meeting. 20:09:00 oh yeah, there is one more topic 20:09:08 the release notes 20:09:16 and also bastianilso has been wrokign on videos and we need to get an udpate on that. 20:09:32 sure 20:09:34 he's put the finishing touches I think of the generic GNOME one. 20:09:43 he should show us what he's come up with :D 20:09:54 what's left in the agenda? 20:09:57 okay, thanks, see you guys later, I'll read the minutes when I get back. 20:10:00 andreasn: release notes 20:10:20 #topic release notes 20:10:29 from aday: 20:10:29 The wiki page for the 3.12 release notes [1] is filling up nicely, but 20:10:30 there are still some notable absences. Please add any user or 20:10:30 developer changes that you know about! 20:10:45 #link https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointEleven/ReleaseNotes 20:11:14 wait, it wasnt on thursday? 20:11:16 we should really ask about how we are going to promote the release. 20:11:22 * bastianilso reads up 20:11:35 bastianilso: we moved the meeting to today so that andreas and fabiana can attend 20:12:00 be back in an hour 20:12:00 sri: we can meet tomorrow anyway. there will be people coming I'm pretty sure 20:12:17 ah right 20:12:52 yea I can provide an update on the video 20:12:54 the release notes don't mention anything about wayland at all 20:13:04 so it's one big video? 20:13:28 andreasn: the idea was to have one main video taking up the key features of the release, and then have two ohers diving into specifics if possible 20:14:00 nice 20:14:02 cool. how long are those? 20:14:04 I noticed the lack of wayland news as well, I did find some status updates from mathias though so perhaps we want to get them in the release notes? 20:14:38 diegoe: I am not quite sure yet, but I have a draft of the manuscript written out for the voice-over, so I might be able to try it out and see if the length is fitting 20:15:09 bastianilso: if you are doing the VO separate, we could coordinate some translations, at least a few languages 20:15:24 don't know if that's planned 20:15:29 will the video be part of the release notes document itself? 20:15:52 andreasn: we talked about either releasing it alongside 3.12 or coordinating it as a teaser for the upcoming release 20:16:01 perhaps released a week before 20:16:05 still not sure 20:16:29 all right 20:16:47 if it goes before it's gonna spoil the release notes 20:17:10 well, it might. it might also give us two weeks of coverage 20:17:18 I think the latter 20:17:20 as mentioned earlier, it won't go into specifics as the release notes does 20:17:33 the release notes will hit a bunch of news sites on release day regardless 20:17:41 diegoe: it won't spoil anything that isn't in the wiki already :) 20:18:15 "Plans for GNOME 3.14" seems all empty for the moment 20:18:24 healthy! :P 20:18:37 at least the things that got punted this release might need to go in there 20:19:03 so here's an idea. what if we ask oliverp to start with his interviews idea for the upcoming release 20:19:25 he could try with two or three short ones with developers who had lots of work this cycle 20:19:48 when is the release due to? 20:19:56 sure, sounds nice. An update from, say, Jasper on Wayland would be nice for example 20:20:05 we need to make sure we have time to also edit the interviews 20:20:30 26th 20:21:47 diegoe: do you it's feasible to plan, conduct and edit the interviews until then? 20:21:53 *think 20:22:32 fabiana: two at most 20:24:10 it's doable I think. I can mail oliver and see if he likes the idea 20:24:17 nice, then that'd be awesome 20:24:28 if we agree on a schedule we can mail the list and let everyone comment 20:24:41 sounds great 20:24:48 andreasn: action that puppy 20:24:50 andreasn: action me, mr president 20:25:22 #action diegoe to reach out to oliverp and plan interviews to publish before the release 20:25:44 do we have an action for the release notes though? 20:26:05 I think I have the outline of the video ready now (might want to wait till next #topic tho) 20:26:24 I don't think so, no. I can take one and go over the wiki page 20:26:46 it's aday's puppy for now I guess :) 20:27:08 yeah, not much to do except try and get more items from hackers 20:27:14 still early to start writing I guess? 20:27:49 I think aday created a git branch already 20:28:25 yep https://git.gnome.org/browse/release-notes/log/?h=gnome-3-12 20:29:41 then it's action for andreasn 20:30:44